The photos of the deeds for Pleasant Grove, Johns Delight and Johns Luck all give drawings of the properties with neighbors, and in the instance of Delight and Luck also give specific surveyors instructions. But these photos are so poor I have not been able to read them even with the help of Photo Pro. Is there some way to get better copies? Pleasant Grove for example is mentioned as next to Murrays Addition, and Johns Luck seems to describe another close property. Marjorie, have you been able to copy the deed for Murrays Addition yet? These properties taken together describe the western section of the community of Sandy Branch and if I could read the deeds, I might make almost exact drawings of their locations for the map. Ken

Ken, have you tried clicking on original at the bottom left of the display? I's a pain to use the scroll bar so bar at the bottom but I just checked Pleasant Grove and I can read it that way. (Yahoo does not do a very good job with these photos of text.)
Sorry I forgot to add Addition resurvey after I pieced the document together. Will do now.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, kenbunting@bellsouth.net <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

The photos of the deeds for Pleasant Grove, Johns Delight and Johns Luck all give drawings of the properties with neighbors, and in the instance of Delight and Luck also give specific surveyors instructions. But these photos are so poor I have not been able to read them even with the help of Photo Pro. Is there some way to get better copies? Pleasant Grove for example is mentioned as next to Murrays Addition, and Johns Luck seems to describe another close property. Marjorie, have you been able to copy the deed for Murrays Addition yet? These properties taken together describe the western section of the community of Sandy Branch and if I could read the deeds, I might make almost exact drawings of their locations for the map. Ken

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

I found the plat for Pleasant Grove. Adding now.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> The photos of the deeds for Pleasant Grove, Johns Delight and Johns Luck all give drawings of the properties with neighbors, and in the instance of Delight and Luck also give specific surveyors instructions. But these photos are so poor I have not been able to read them even with the help of Photo Pro. Is there some way to get better copies? Pleasant Grove for example is mentioned as next to Murrays Addition, and Johns Luck seems to describe another close property. Marjorie, have you been able to copy the deed for Murrays Addition yet? These properties taken together describe the western section of the community of Sandy Branch and if I could read the deeds, I might make almost exact drawings of their locations for the map. Ken
>

You should find it there.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:10 PM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Are you going to post the photo of Murrays Addition that you transcibed for the Murray file?  (Did I already ask you about that?)  I think my head is swimming with all these surveys.  I'm having a lot of fun trying to organize the information.   Ken

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From: marjorie <marjea@wildblue.net>
To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 12:33:43 PM
Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Deeds

 

I found the plat for Pleasant Grove. Adding now.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> The photos of the deeds for Pleasant Grove, Johns Delight and Johns Luck all give drawings of the properties with neighbors, and in the instance of Delight and Luck also give specific surveyors instructions. But these photos are so poor I have not been able to read them even with the help of Photo Pro. Is there some way to get better copies? Pleasant Grove for example is mentioned as next to Murrays Addition, and Johns Luck seems to describe another close property. Marjorie, have you been able to copy the deed for Murrays Addition yet? These properties taken together describe the western section of the community of Sandy Branch and if I could read the deeds, I might make almost exact drawings of their locations for the map. Ken
>

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Marjorie, would you mind looking at the part near the end of your transcription of "New Addition" where you transcribe a word as "Frames ---". I read this as "Thomas's Due", possibly a property on the state road north of the Murrays and others. Has anyone come across such a property name? Ken

Marjorie, I meant Murrays Additon. Actually the property description in the two of them seems to be identical. I assume it was supposed to be. Ken

Ken, which 2 are you comparing?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:47 PM, kenbunting@bellsouth.net <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, I meant Murrays Additon. Actually the property description in the two of them seems to be identical. I assume it was supposed to be. Ken

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Yes I also thought it referred to a property North. I think the letters are Frames's  for sure. Sometimes this name was spelled Fraim. I found a property described as "on a ridge nr. Cypress Swamp back from Blackfoot Town": (This same property was also mentioned in the warant/survey for John Dagworthy's Pleasant Grove.)

Unpatented Certificate 1234
Date:	1753/04/30
Description:	"South Ridge", Robert Frames, 460 Acres

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:26 PM, kenbunting@bellsouth.net <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, would you mind looking at the part near the end of your transcription of "New Addition" where you transcribe a word as "Frames ---". I read this as "Thomas's Due", possibly a property on the state road north of the Murrays and others. Has anyone come across such a property name? Ken

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Files or Photos?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:12 PM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

The one you have entitled Murrays Additon and the one called New Addition.

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From: marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net>
To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:19:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Correction

 

Ken, which 2 are you comparing?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:47 PM, kenbunting@bellsouth.net <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, I meant Murrays Additon. Actually the property description in the two of them seems to be identical. I assume it was supposed to be. Ken

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

I thought it was Due North.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

I wonder what the word after Frame's is.

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From: marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net>
To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:59:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Transcription of New Addition

 

Yes I also thought it referred to a property North. I think the letters are Frames's  for sure. Sometimes this name was spelled Fraim. I found a property described as "on a ridge nr. Cypress Swamp back from Blackfoot Town": (This same property was also mentioned in the warant/survey for John Dagworthy's Pleasant Grove.)

Unpatented Certificate 1234
Date:	1753/04/30
Description:	"South Ridge", Robert Frames, 460 Acres

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:26 PM, kenbunting@bellsouth.net <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, would you mind looking at the part near the end of your transcription of "New Addition" where you transcribe a word as "Frames ---". I read this as "Thomas's Due", possibly a property on the state road north of the Murrays and others. Has anyone come across such a property name? Ken

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

From Lower Delmarva Roots mailing list:
The Sussex County Genealogical Society in Delaware will hold a
one-day conference, Tracking Your Ancestors, on April 30, 2011.
Featured speakers Julia Coldren-Walker, Rebecca Koford, Charles Mason
and others will cover topics such as Beginning Genealogy, Church
Records, Identifying Photographs,Researching Your Home's History,
Brick Walls, and Finding Female Ancestors,Documenting and Resourcing
Methodology, and a new course, "Mapping Colonial Sussex. One
special feature will be individual consultations by John Lyon,
John Polk, and Mike Hitch who will use their land platting expertise
to help researchers find their colonial ancestral lands on the
Delmarva Peninsula. Another interesting session will be on the part
DNA is playing in the efforts to identify missing military personnel
and how it may affect your research. To find more information on
the 17 programs, biographies, and registration information for the
conference go to _www.scgsdelaware.org_
(http://www.scgsdelaware.org/) or calling 302-875-7665. There is
something for all levels of researchers whether they are researching
Delmarva or other areas. The conference will be held at the Delmarva
Christian High School in Georgetown,Delaware.

Marjorie, can you please move the photo "Pleasant Grove (enlarged) Plat Map 3" from New Photos to the regular album Photos so that I can use the original tab to read it. Ken

Ken, It is Yahoo who shows these in new photos. Try going to the Tracts nr Sandy Branch album. It is there (date order, not alphabetical)when I look and I can enlarge it.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, can you please move the photo "Pleasant Grove (enlarged) Plat Map 3" from New Photos to the regular album Photos so that I can use the original tab to read it. Ken
>

Now I can answer your original question: Yes, these are the same property/document. I have relabeled them, hoping to make it more clear.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> Your transcription of Murrays Addition is in files, of course, and the copy of
> New Addition is in photos.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marjorie adams <marjea@...>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 11:13:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Correction
>
>  
> Files or Photos?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:12 PM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@...>
> wrote:
>
>  
> >The one you have entitled Murrays Additon and the one called New Addition.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: marjorie adams <marjea@...>
> >To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:19:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Correction
> >
> > 
> >Ken, which 2 are you comparing?
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:47 PM, kenbunting@...
> ><kenbunting@...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>Marjorie, I meant Murrays Additon. Actually the property description in the two
> >>of them seems to be identical. I assume it was supposed to be. Ken
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Marjorie
> >"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play
> >and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Marjorie
> "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play
> and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
>

Look in the AT Sandy Branch folder for Pleasant Grove enlarged map-3. I am not sure that the 1754 one for Burell Jones has anything to do with the one for John Dagworthy. Would like your opinion on that after you plat it.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, the one in Near Sandy Branch is labeled Pleasant Grove 1754.   The one
> I would like to see is labeled Pleasant Grove Plat Map 3.  The plats in each one
> are different.  The latter is much more detailed.   Ken 
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marjorie <marjea@...>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 12:05:24 PM
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Pleasant Grove Plat
>
>  
> Ken, It is Yahoo who shows these in new photos. Try going to the Tracts nr Sandy
> Branch album. It is there (date order, not alphabetical)when I look and I can
> enlarge it.
>
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@"
> <kenbunting@> wrote:
> >
> > Marjorie, can you please move the photo "Pleasant Grove (enlarged) Plat Map 3"
> >from New Photos to the regular album Photos so that I can use the original tab
> >to read it. Ken
> >
>

I called my sister and she thought it was April 2nd but advised me to call the pastor.

Well I called him and it has been changed. They found out that they needed more time to do it right. They want the memories of the older generation but they want more. So they are going to form a committee to try to get more information. I think they are now looking for an October date.

If you have anything you can contribute it would be appreciated.

 

I have found that there was a directory published by the church in 1939. I think i wrote about it on the Selbyville site. I cannot find this book if you know of anyone that might have a copy.

 

Thanks,

Joan

sorry everyone,

This was meant to go to one person.

Sorry.

Joan

Marjorie, the plat of Pleasant Grove for John Dagworthy is so large (over 9,300 acres) and made up of so many parts it has taken me a while to interpret it. The beginning of the survey seems to be west of a point between Frankford and Dagsboro, possibly on or near the road out of Dagsboro still known as Swamp Road, and extends mostly to the west of there.
The plat of Pleasant Grove deeded to Burrell Jones from John Hudson is rather small (30 acres)and is mentioned as near the western edge of New Addition patented to James Murray Jr just west of Sandy Branch Community.
At first I thought the newer Pleasant Grove may have been a little slice out the older one, but this turned out to be geographically unlikely.
I think you are right that it is just a coincidence of names. Ken

P.S. Who is this John Hudson and who is Burrell Jones?

So Jones' 30A Pleasant Grove was the one next to James Murray's Addition? I need to put it in the other album. I do not know who these 2 are but speculate: 1) Jones, Sussex LWT 1784/85 possibly related to James Murray's wife Martha Jones; 2) John Hudson probably Wor LWT 1783 son of Richard Sr., brother of Richard Sr.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, the plat of Pleasant Grove for John Dagworthy is so large (over 9,300 acres) and made up of so many parts it has taken me a while to interpret it. The beginning of the survey seems to be west of a point between Frankford and Dagsboro, possibly on or near the road out of Dagsboro still known as Swamp Road, and extends mostly to the west of there.
> The plat of Pleasant Grove deeded to Burrell Jones from John Hudson is rather small (30 acres)and is mentioned as near the western edge of New Addition patented to James Murray Jr just west of Sandy Branch Community.
> At first I thought the newer Pleasant Grove may have been a little slice out the older one, but this turned out to be geographically unlikely.
> I think you are right that it is just a coincidence of names. Ken
>
> P.S. Who is this John Hudson and who is Burrell Jones?
>

What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?

Marjorie, some time ago you asked me why I thought John McCabe got into financial difficulties, and I don't believe I ever replied. Part of this idea comes from the introductory material from Vernon's book on the McCabes, and secondly from the fact that in the deed Nathaniel Mitchel to Arthur McCabe there is the line "...purchased by Mitchell at a Sheriff's sale...". Sheriff's sales are held specifically to auction off property in debt or for criminal reasons.

Ken, I asked if you had anything to indicate that land other than Mumford's Choice was seized.
The introductory section of Vern McCabe's book refers to just Mumford's Choice and that is same land Mitchell purchased with Arthur holding the bond and when it was not paid Arthur got the land back.
It came up when discussing whether Arthur inherited John's Luck.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 9:09 PM, kenbunting@bellsouth.net <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, some time ago you asked me why I thought John McCabe got into financial difficulties, and I don't believe I ever replied. Part of this idea comes from the introductory material from Vernon's book on the McCabes, and secondly from the fact that in the deed Nathaniel Mitchel to Arthur McCabe there is the line "...purchased by Mitchell at a Sheriff's sale...". Sheriff's sales are held specifically to auction off property in debt or for criminal reasons.

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Ken, I was reviewing your Hudson ancestry in HFA Bulletin and think that your David H. was the son of Benjamin Sr. of Hezekiah. I was wondering why the ancestry states that lineage of David is unknown.

Ken,

Hi. Do you know if these lists are online anywhere?

Thanks,
Brad

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> For you genealogists who may be trying to track your family name back to Worcester Co, Buckingham Presbyterian Church in Berlin was founded in 1683, which may the earliest church in any nearby area. Check the tithe lists for 1793-1796. Ken
>

Ken, is the list of tithables online? All I found was a list of burials at http://usgwarchives.net/md/worcester/tsimages/buckingham/bucking.html which I will add as a link. What is the http for the tithables?

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Hi Brad, enter the name of the church and place in you search bar and it should come up.  Ken

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Marjorie, what was the Sandy Branch patent William Burton had in 1732? I have a Wm. Burton, father of Woolsey, and probably son of Wm Burton 1646-1695 gentleman, Metompkin; Wm Jr purchased land from the Indians 15 NOV 1736 Pine Neck along the Indian River to Fishing Creek above Millsboro; son Woolsey Burton had lands in Dagsboro Hundred at Long Neck. I don't have any reference to Sandy Branch. Is this the same man?

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@...> wrote:
>
> What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?
>

Burton's Desire is the first photo in the album: Land tracts at Sandy Branch. I am trying to identify which Wm he was as there were many.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Beth ann Wolpert <elizwolpert@cox.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, what was the Sandy Branch patent William Burton had in 1732? I have a Wm. Burton, father of Woolsey, and probably son of Wm Burton 1646-1695 gentleman, Metompkin; Wm Jr purchased land from the Indians 15 NOV 1736 Pine Neck along the Indian River to Fishing Creek above Millsboro; son Woolsey Burton had lands in Dagsboro Hundred at Long Neck. I don't have any reference to Sandy Branch. Is this the same man?

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@...> wrote:
>
> What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?
>

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

We seem to have several deeds now that refer to Pig Pen Branch and I am trying to give it a location.
The only deed so far that mentions the MD line is John Buntin's "Friends Assistance". It also says that it adjoins "Chance" and "Friendship". Beth Wolpert earlier posted a document referring to "Chance" and "Friends Assistance" as lying on Pig Pen Branch.
Other deeds submitted that refer to Pig Pen Branch are
"Harrisons Outlet" and "Cow Quarter".
Pig Pen Branch is nearly always described as a headwater of the St Martins River.
There is no headwater of the St Martins River north of the MD/DE line east of Selbyville, so Pig Pen Branch would have to be to the west.
In "Harrisons Outlet" Pig Pen Branch is said to be near Gum Swamp, which may mean the section of Cypress Swamp going toward Gumboro.
An examination of a USGS topographical map for this area shows only two possible branches that come out of MD near Cypress Swamp and that lead toward the St Martins River, both of them draining into Sandy Branch and so to the river.
These branches have been straightened and channelized over the years for farming but are still recognizable on a hydrographic map.
The one nearest the swamp drains from an area northeast of
Whaleyville in MD and enters Sandy Branch about at the intersection of Baker Road and Gumboro Rd. The other is about a half a mile closer to Selbyville draining from MD and entering Sandy Branch at the intersection of Co Rd 378 and Blackberry Farm Rd.
As I hope to show in a later sketch of Sandy Branch Community, the junction of the easternmost branch (closer to Selbyville) lay within part of the Murray property called "New Addition".
My guess at the present time is that Pig Pen Branch was the westernmost stream that enters the south side of Sandy Branch near Baker Rd.

I know this is actually in Maryland but I remember an area just south of Selbyville know as Pig Pen. This would have been along Hotel Rd. There is a branch along that road also. I was wondering if this could possibly be Pig Pen Branch. Would the head of this branch be in the swamp?

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/5/2011 6:57:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kenbunting@bellsouth.net writes:

 

We seem to have several deeds now that refer to Pig Pen Branch and I am trying to give it a location.
The only deed so far that mentions the MD line is John Buntin's "Friends Assistance". It also says that it adjoins "Chance" and "Friendship". Beth Wolpert earlier posted a document referring to "Chance" and "Friends Assistance" as lying on Pig Pen Branch.
Other deeds submitted that refer to Pig Pen Branch are
"Harrisons Outlet" and "Cow Quarter".
Pig Pen Branch is nearly always described as a headwater of the St Martins River.
There is no headwater of the St Martins River north of the MD/DE line east of Selbyville, so Pig Pen Branch would have to be to the west.
In "Harrisons Outlet" Pig Pen Branch is said to be near Gum Swamp, which may mean the section of Cypress Swamp going toward Gumboro.
An examination of a USGS topographical map for this area shows only two possible branches that come out of MD near Cypress Swamp and that lead toward the St Martins River, both of them draining into Sandy Branch and so to the river.
These branches have been straightened and channelized over the years for farming but are still recognizable on a hydrographic map.
The one nearest the swamp drains from an area northeast of
Whaleyville in MD and enters Sandy Branch about at the intersection of Baker Road and Gumboro Rd. The other is about a half a mile closer to Selbyville draining from MD and entering Sandy Branch at the intersection of Co Rd 378 and Blackberry Farm Rd.
As I hope to show in a later sketch of Sandy Branch Community, the junction of the easternmost branch (closer to Selbyville) lay within part of the Murray property called "New Addition".
My guess at the present time is that Pig Pen Branch was the westernmost stream that enters the south side of Sandy Branch near Baker Rd.

Ken identifies "William Burton as of Sussex . . . he would have lived north of the Indian River and did not live at Sandy Branch as John Collins did by 1748" and the Wm Burton I described in former message lived in the area Ken mentioned, I believe

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, what was the Sandy Branch patent William Burton had in 1732? I have a Wm. Burton, father of Woolsey, and probably son of Wm Burton 1646-1695 gentleman, Metompkin; Wm Jr purchased land from the Indians 15 NOV 1736 Pine Neck along the Indian River to Fishing Creek above Millsboro; son Woolsey Burton had lands in Dagsboro Hundred at Long Neck. I don't have any reference to Sandy Branch. Is this the same man?
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?
> >
>

Beth, that statement you attribute to Ken was mine. There were several Wms in the area as well as several Woolseys so we need some sources of specific info to figure out which one this was. Metomkin was in Accomack VA and that Wm had a son Wm and a son Woolsey.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Beth ann Wolpert <elizwolpert@cox.net> wrote:

 

Ken identifies "William Burton as of Sussex . . . he would have lived north of the Indian River and did not live at Sandy Branch as John Collins did by 1748" and the Wm Burton I described in former message lived in the area Ken mentioned, I believe

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, what was the Sandy Branch patent William Burton had in 1732? I have a Wm. Burton, father of Woolsey, and probably son of Wm Burton 1646-1695 gentleman, Metompkin; Wm Jr purchased land from the Indians 15 NOV 1736 Pine Neck along the Indian River to Fishing Creek above Millsboro; son Woolsey Burton had lands in Dagsboro Hundred at Long Neck. I don't have any reference to Sandy Branch. Is this the same man?
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?
> >
>

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

I don't know whether this is of value to you or Sandy Branch, but the Burtons in the Sussex County Tax List of 1723 are Robert Burton 200 0 16 8; William Burton 200 0 16 8; Assessed a 6/ per hundred are Tim Burton's tenant and Cesar Burton. Also have, in the will of William Morris planter,12 DEC 1797 a note attached Arch Vol A 90, p 146 mentions deceased father John Morris and deceased grandfather William Burton.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@...> wrote:
>
> Beth, that statement you attribute to Ken was mine. There were several Wms
> in the area as well as several Woolseys so we need some sources of specific
> info to figure out which one this was. Metomkin was in Accomack VA and that
> Wm had a son Wm and a son Woolsey.
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Beth ann Wolpert <elizwolpert@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ken identifies "William Burton as of Sussex . . . he would have lived north
> > of the Indian River and did not live at Sandy Branch as John Collins did by
> > 1748" and the Wm Burton I described in former message lived in the area Ken
> > mentioned, I believe
> >
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert"
> > <elizwolpert@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Marjorie, what was the Sandy Branch patent William Burton had in 1732? I
> > have a Wm. Burton, father of Woolsey, and probably son of Wm Burton
> > 1646-1695 gentleman, Metompkin; Wm Jr purchased land from the Indians 15 NOV
> > 1736 Pine Neck along the Indian River to Fishing Creek above Millsboro; son
> > Woolsey Burton had lands in Dagsboro Hundred at Long Neck. I don't have any
> > reference to Sandy Branch. Is this the same man?
> > >
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie"
> > <marjea@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent
> > 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Marjorie
> "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:

>
> I don't know whether this is of value to you or Sandy Branch, but the Burtons in the Sussex County Tax List of 1693 are Robert Burton 200 0 16 8; William Burton 200 0 16 8; Assessed a 6/ per hundred are Tim Burton's tenant and Cesar Burton. Also have, in the will of William Morris planter,12 DEC 1797 a note attached Arch Vol A 90, p 146 mentions deceased father John Morris and deceased grandfather William Burton.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > Beth, that statement you attribute to Ken was mine. There were several Wms
> > in the area as well as several Woolseys so we need some sources of specific
> > info to figure out which one this was. Metomkin was in Accomack VA and that
> > Wm had a son Wm and a son Woolsey.
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Beth ann Wolpert <elizwolpert@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken identifies "William Burton as of Sussex . . . he would have lived north
> > > of the Indian River and did not live at Sandy Branch as John Collins did by
> > > 1748" and the Wm Burton I described in former message lived in the area Ken
> > > mentioned, I believe
> > >
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert"
> > > <elizwolpert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marjorie, what was the Sandy Branch patent William Burton had in 1732? I
> > > have a Wm. Burton, father of Woolsey, and probably son of Wm Burton
> > > 1646-1695 gentleman, Metompkin; Wm Jr purchased land from the Indians 15 NOV
> > > 1736 Pine Neck along the Indian River to Fishing Creek above Millsboro; son
> > > Woolsey Burton had lands in Dagsboro Hundred at Long Neck. I don't have any
> > > reference to Sandy Branch. Is this the same man?
> > > >
> > > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie"
> > > <marjea@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What else do we know about this Wm who had the Sandy Branch patent
> > > 1732?--birth, death, places, marriage to?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marjorie
> > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> >
>

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Marjorie,

 

Too many "Sarah's"  a common name in them days!

I have been trying for years to unravel the question of who a certain "Sarah" was that appears in the 1860 census as the wife of my greatgreatgrandfather and namesake William O. McCabe.  It was at his house (see attachment) that William O. McCabe's daughter Lucinda married my greatgrandfather Sylvester B. Long.

 

William O. Long, III

Crofton, Maryland

 

Attachment: (photo of page from Lucinda J. Long Bible)

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In a message dated 4/9/2011 12:42:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marjea@wildblue.net writes:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net>
Date: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Elisha Long & Lydia, parents of Eber
To: Donna Wyatt <danu0@verizon.net>


Do you sometimes wonder why we send our brains in these circles? The Sarah Longs are also very confusing.  Was it this DC that you found?:
Sarah E. Long, widow, age 91
    death:    07 Nov 1931 — Baltimore, Sussex, Delaware (birth 20 Sep 1839)
    parents:    Lettie Long, Sulfa Murray
informant Parker (son)
NOW WHO WAS LETTIE LONG--father? or another way to pronounce Lyddie?

No Sarah Murrays in the first 20 yrs. of 1800s

Only a phantom of a Sarah Murray in the last 20 yrss of 1700: Mother had in her notes a Sarah Murray as a possible child of David &Rhoda but Sarah is not in the Murray Bible nor David's 1823 will.
But in the hh of Joe Long and Mahala Murray in 1820 there is another female abot the same age as Mahala.
And as far as children of Joe Long, the names I have come from his 1856 will and I think I have never   completely sorted them out in the pre 1850 censuses. But in 1810 there are 2 fem under 10 and the only one that fits that age in his will is Delita.Another dau could have died or

Now this is really off the wall-- could the phantom Sarah Murray have had an illeg. child named Lydia who was raised by Joe and Mahala and was therefore known as Lydia Long?  I will have to study those censuses later--my mind is doing circles at the moment.

I have 2 Sophia nee Murray
1. of David Murray and Rhoda Wyatt--3 marriages
2. unidentified m James Hickman 1840 (bond)

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Donna Wyatt <danu0@verizon.net> wrote:

Hi Marjorie,
Good to hear from you!  Yes, I'm still plugging away at this.

Elisha and Lydia's daughter Sarah's death record says her
mother was Suffa Murray.  Their son Armwell's death
record says mother was Lydia Long.  So with Eber's
death record saying his mother was Lydia Murray, we
have two votes for Murray and one for Long.

I don't have any parents for Lydia.  Sigh...
In the wild speculation department, all of the names
of Elisha and Lydia's children seem to be from the
Long family with the exception of Sarah.  You wouldn't
have a Sarah Murray of the right age to be Lydia's mother
would you?

-Donna

Apr 8, 2011 01:03:51 PM, marjea@wildblue.net wrote:

Hi Donna,
Haven't talked to you for a while. Glad to see you are still updating your rootsweb tree. In trying to resolve a discrepancy in my database I found this on your rootsweb tree:

ID: I10017 Name: Lydia Murray 1 2 Sex: F Birth: 26 NOV 1817 in Sussex Co., Delaware, USA 1 Burial: 1900 Joe Long Cemetery, Selbyville, Sussex Co., Delaware Death: 25 SEP 1900 in Sussex Co., Delaware, USA 1 Marriage 1 Elisha Long b: 05 MAR 1809 in Sussex Co., Delaware, USA

 Your source for Lydia'a maiden name, Eber's DC, shows the informant as the dau of Eber. Did she have it right?
I do not have a Lydia Murray of this time . Do you?

Elisha's marriage bond on Ancestry clearly gives m to Lydia Long. I had her of Isaiah & Elizabeth Long.
But, the birth date on Lydia's tombstone in Joe Long Cemetery is different than the birth date in the Bible of Isaiah & Elizabeth Long,plus in the Bible there is a death date for a Lydia Long in 1817.  Bible: 2 Dec 1816; Tombstone: 26 Nov 1817 per Hudson & Tatnall

Quandary: which document is correct? and who were parents of Lydia? 

Bill and Nancy, I did not retain the copy of the actual Bible pages I helped transcribe, just the transcription. Can you determine from the pages and handwriting if Lydia d 1817 was the same Lydia as the one b 1816? If she was, then who is the Lydia Long whom Elisha Long married in 1835 per Bond?

Ida, I have Mary P as their dau, not a 2nd wife of Elisha as Lloyd Matthews gave. Lydia was still on census with Elisha in 1860 and 1870.

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Hi my name is Dawn and I am trying to do my family history. One of my ancestors on ny grandmothers side is William Franklin Long, Sept. 9, 1890 to Aug 1, 1969. He married Martha Ellen Gump, and they had four children: Herman, Opal, Blanche, and Virginia. I met a woman on ancestry.com named Sara and she recommended I join this group and you all could help me.
Dawn

Dawn,

Your Long ancestors apparently lived in West Virginia.  It's unlikely that they connect with the Selbyville Longs.

What would REALLY help you is if you have and know of any Long relatives that could participant in the Long DNA Project:  www.longdna.com

 

see also: http://www.longwebs.org/longdna//Participants.htm

 

Bill Long

 

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In a message dated 4/11/2011 4:17:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, piwanga@hotmail.com writes:

Hi my name is Dawn and I am trying to do my family history. One of my ancestors on ny grandmothers side is William Franklin Long, Sept. 9, 1890 to Aug 1, 1969. He married Martha Ellen Gump, and they had four children: Herman, Opal, Blanche, and Virginia. I met a woman on ancestry.com named Sara and she recommended I join this group and you all could help me.
Dawn

Dawn I have some pieces for you:
Delaware Birth Records, 1800-1932
Wiliam F Long of Isaiah Curtis & Mary Catherine "Kate" Davis
b10 Nov 1891
Delaware Death Certificate
Virginia Catherine Long
Death Date: 30 Nov 1939
Death Place: Baltimore, Selbyville, Sussex, Delaware
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1920
Father's Name: William F. Long
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Martha Pearce

I did not recheck that info If it doesn't pan out let us know.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Dawn <piwanga@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi my name is Dawn and I am trying to do my family history. One of my ancestors on ny grandmothers side is William Franklin Long, Sept. 9, 1890 to Aug 1, 1969. He married Martha Ellen Gump, and they had four children: Herman, Opal, Blanche, and Virginia. I met a woman on ancestry.com named Sara and she recommended I join this group and you all could help me.
Dawn

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

Bill, Where and when was this "pullout" published? Please add that to the description of the file.
In scanning it quickly I noticed one error: Castrovillo is wrong about the progenitor David Long being b in Worcester MD. As documented, he was b in Kent Co MD (now Queen Ann's). I changed the name of your file so it would alphabetize under Long.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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>
> Hello,
>
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It's from a 1997 newspaper. That's all know. A Barbara Godwin provided the photos. I'll try to contact her and she if she knows.

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