On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Does anyone have a family tree for the Selbys? 

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From: "bluelightning75@aol.com" <bluelightning75@aol.com>
To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 9:58:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Sam(p)son and Josiah Selby

 

In the Thomson's Mercantile 1851-1852, the store is listed as Sampson and son. In 1850 Sampson would have been 59 years old. Do you think it possible that he may have turned over most of the store duties to his son Josiah by this time?

As far as them moving back to Bishopville, Sampson's grave is less than 2 miles from the center of Selbyville and  is only 2/10 of a mile from the old stage coach road that leads to Selbyville.

 

Wouldn't Sampson had to have lived in Baltimore Hundred in 1849 when the governor appointed him Justice of the Peace & Notary & Tabellion Public? According to the book Governor's Registor 1674-1851, he was appointed on February 15, 1849.

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2011 9:13:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kenbunting@bellsouth.net writes:

 

Interesting that Sampson Selby for whom Selbyville is said to have been named is listed as farmer in the 1850 census, whereas Josiah who is said to have been the first postmaster is listed as merchant. This latter makes sense if you consider that postoffices were often located in stores. So why would Sampson have gone to Phila to lay in supplies for "his" store?
Even more interesting is that in the 1860 census they had both moved to Bishopville, from which town they are said to have originated.

Other than the census, you may find the other information in just about any history of Selbyville on the web. I don't have a copy of Scharf.

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have directions to find the burying ground of Issac Seth and Seth Hudson? between Dagsboro and Millsboro? Does anyone have pictures? How many family members have extant stones there?
>

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Nina Bunting <beberingler@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Jeanette Selby Baker of Selbyville was raised in St.Martin's Neck----She might be a source.  Nina Lou --- On Tue, 1/11/11, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Sam(p)son and Josiah Selby To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:04 PM   Does anyone have a family tree for the Selbys?  From: "bluelightning75@aol.com" <bluelightning75@aol.com> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 9:58:00 PM Subject: Re: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Sam(p)son and Josiah Selby   In the Thomson's Mercantile 1851-1852, the store is listed as Sampson and son. In 1850 Sampson would have been 59 years old. Do you think it possible that he may have turned over most of the store duties to his son Josiah by this time? As far as them moving back to Bishopville, Sampson's grave is less than 2 miles from the center of Selbyville and  is only 2/10 of a mile from the old stage coach road that leads to Selbyville.   Wouldn't Sampson had to have lived in Baltimore Hundred in 1849 when the governor appointed him Justice of the Peace & Notary & Tabellion Public? According to the book Governor's Registor 1674-1851, he was appointed on February 15, 1849.     In a message dated 1/9/2011 9:13:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kenbunting@bellsouth.net writes:   Interesting that Sampson Selby for whom Selbyville is said to have been named is listed as farmer in the 1850 census, whereas Josiah who is said to have been the first postmaster is listed as merchant. This latter makes sense if you consider that postoffices were often located in stores. So why would Sampson have gone to Phila to lay in supplies for "his" store? Even more interesting is that in the 1860 census they had both moved to Bishopville, from which town they are said to have originated. Other than the census, you may find the other information in just about any history of Selbyville on the web. I don't have a copy of Scharf.

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Hudson" <hudsonjlee@...> wrote:
>
> The Issac S Hudson cemetery and the John A Hudson estate docs are now in the photo section. Also I entered a 'right off the press' Henry to Charles L. Hudson doc in the Hudson files.
> Jason
>

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Nina Bunting <beberingler@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Marjorie, No snow yet in Dagsboro-----light rain,sleet mix. Supposed to get snow overnight. My best friend is Patti Chandler Adams---sister-in-law of Judy Hudson Adams and daughter of Wm. B. Chandler,Jr. Do you need me to ask her anything about a cemetery on her grandfather's property??  Nina Lou                --- On Tue, 1/11/11, marjorie <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote: From: marjorie <marjea@wildblue.net> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Hudson cemeteries and family burying grounds To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 7:41 PM   Attn: photographers How much snow cover do you have in Delaware right now? There is another cemetery in the area of Frankford with Hudsons on the Hudson & Tatnall CD; cemetery #192, 2m nw of Frankford on land that was owned by Wm B. Chandler. Isaac Seth is listed there with his wife Elizabeth. I think then that the one in my first Email might be Isaac Albert, son of Isaac S. --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have directions to find the burying ground of Issac Seth and Seth Hudson? between Dagsboro and Millsboro? Does anyone have pictures? How many family members have extant stones there? >

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, bluelightning75@... wrote:
>
> They probably could not make enough to survive as a post master only. Like
> my ancestor whose will mentions a Blacksmith shop but is always listed in
> census as farmer. His son is listed as farmer but was a surveyor also. His
> name is on several documents. His survey journal is on microfilm as Dover
> Archives. Only problem, it is unreadable; too light.
>
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2011 2:35:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> kenbunting@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I have this directory in my files. I was just calling attention to
> the anomaly in the census. According to Genealogy Genius: 1850 Census
> Instructions to the Marshalls: Heading 7, the enumerator should "enter the
> specific profession, occupation, or trade which the said person is known and
> reputed to follow". Having taken refuge in this source, let me explain my
> purpose further. I suspect that Samson's principal occupation was farmer, and
> that he operated store and postoffice out of his house as was very common
> then. (See the photo of a house in Centerville DE used in this way. Just
> enter Centerville on the search engine). My great uncle Peter B Bunting
> is also listed as farmer in the census. Yet he operated a store and the
> postoffice for Bunting DE out of his house. He locked up the house while he
> was in the field. When people wanted to buy anything, or inquire about their
> mail they went and found him. Another great uncle Gardner Ezekial
> Bunting, also farmer, did the same for Williamsville. This didn't last long. He
> went on to found Buntings Nurseries. (I would list the sources for all
> this information but most of them are in Bishopville Cemetery).
>
>
> ____________________________________
> From: marjorie <marjea@...>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 9:10:46 AM
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Sam(p)son and Josiah Selby
>
>
> Samson(sic) Selby & Son is listed in the 1851-2 Mercantile Directory that
> Joan found; see Files: Selbyville Businesses--General stores
>
> --- In _SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com) , "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Interesting that Sampson Selby for whom Selbyville is said to have been
> named is listed as farmer in the 1850 census, whereas Josiah who is said to
> have been the first postmaster is listed as merchant. This latter makes
> sense if you consider that postoffices were often located in stores. So why
> would Sampson have gone to Phila to lay in supplies for "his" store?
> > Even more interesting is that in the 1860 census they had both moved to
> Bishopville, from which town they are said to have originated.
> >
> > Other than the census, you may find the other information in just about
> any history of Selbyville on the web. I don't have a copy of Scharf.
> >
>

>
> Marjorie,
> No snow yet in Dagsboro-----light rain,sleet mix. Supposed to get snow overnight. My best friend is Patti Chandler Adams---sister-in-law of Judy Hudson Adams and daughter of Wm. B. Chandler,Jr. Do you need me to ask her anything about a cemetery on her grandfather's property??  Nina Lou                --- On Tue, 1/11/11, marjorie <marjea@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: marjorie <marjea@...>
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Hudson cemeteries and family burying grounds
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 7:41 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Attn: photographers
> How much snow cover do you have in Delaware right now?
>
> There is another cemetery in the area of Frankford with Hudsons on the Hudson & Tatnall CD; cemetery #192, 2m nw of Frankford on land that was owned by Wm B. Chandler. Isaac Seth is listed there with his wife Elizabeth.
> I think then that the one in my first Email might be Isaac Albert, son of Isaac S.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have directions to find the burying ground of Issac Seth and Seth Hudson? between Dagsboro and Millsboro? Does anyone have pictures? How many family members have extant stones there?
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Nina Bunting <beberingler@> wrote:
> >
> > Marjorie,
> > No snow yet in Dagsboro-----light rain,sleet mix. Supposed to get snow overnight. My best friend is Patti Chandler Adams---sister-in-law of Judy Hudson Adams and daughter of Wm. B. Chandler,Jr. Do you need me to ask her anything about a cemetery on her grandfather's property??  Nina Lou                --- On Tue, 1/11/11, marjorie <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: marjorie <marjea@>
> > Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Hudson cemeteries and family burying grounds
> > To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 7:41 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Attn: photographers
> > How much snow cover do you have in Delaware right now?
> >
> > There is another cemetery in the area of Frankford with Hudsons on the Hudson & Tatnall CD; cemetery #192, 2m nw of Frankford on land that was owned by Wm B. Chandler. Isaac Seth is listed there with his wife Elizabeth.
> > I think then that the one in my first Email might be Isaac Albert, son of Isaac S.
> >
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have directions to find the burying ground of Issac Seth and Seth Hudson? between Dagsboro and Millsboro? Does anyone have pictures? How many family members have extant stones there?
> > >
> >
> Sue and Joe Hudson took pictures there, at the Isaac Seth cemetery. Joe Hudson is a DNA match for Jason and others. Joe, Judy Adams Hudson and Beth Wolpert are 1st cousins. Joe and Judy grew up in Delaware; Beth, in the Philadelphia PA area. There was also a Hudson family cemetery in back of their grandparents' place called the Homestead near Dagsboro, back near the railroad tracks. When I was young, I saw a wooden cross there, among maybe ten to fifteen other graves. I understand it is not there now.
>

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:07 AM, <aluminmug@aol.com> wrote:

 

Thank you for posting our conference information, Ken.  Yes, we are very pleased that Dr. Lyon and his team will be participating.  They will be doing their land platting consultations and Dr. Lyon and Mike Hitch have developed a new program involving Sussex County.  More details can be found at www.scgsdelaware.org (click on conference information under Tracking Your Ancestors.)

 

Hope to see you there.

 

Sally Nelson

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

>
> It is possible that Seth (War of 1812), with undated marker in the Isaac Seth cemetery that is Hudson Cemetery #192, was not buried in #192--the marker there now for Seth could be a memorial marker added after the Hudson project of the early 1930s. The fact that the #192 listing has only Issac S. and Elizabeth supports this theory. Adding Beth's recollection of the wooden cross and markers near Dagsboro on former Hudson property suggests that Seth could be buried in the Dagsboro location.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Nina Bunting <beberingler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Marjorie,
> > > No snow yet in Dagsboro-----light rain,sleet mix. Supposed to get snow overnight. My best friend is Patti Chandler Adams---sister-in-law of Judy Hudson Adams and daughter of Wm. B. Chandler,Jr. Do you need me to ask her anything about a cemetery on her grandfather's property??  Nina Lou                --- On Tue, 1/11/11, marjorie <marjea@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: marjorie <marjea@>
> > > Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Hudson cemeteries and family burying grounds
> > > To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 7:41 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Attn: photographers
> > > How much snow cover do you have in Delaware right now?
> > >
> > > There is another cemetery in the area of Frankford with Hudsons on the Hudson & Tatnall CD; cemetery #192, 2m nw of Frankford on land that was owned by Wm B. Chandler. Isaac Seth is listed there with his wife Elizabeth.
> > > I think then that the one in my first Email might be Isaac Albert, son of Isaac S.
> > >
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "marjorie" <marjea@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have directions to find the burying ground of Issac Seth and Seth Hudson? between Dagsboro and Millsboro? Does anyone have pictures? How many family members have extant stones there?
> > > >
> > >
> > Sue and Joe Hudson took pictures there, at the Isaac Seth cemetery. Joe Hudson is a DNA match for Jason and others. Joe, Judy Adams Hudson and Beth Wolpert are 1st cousins. Joe and Judy grew up in Delaware; Beth, in the Philadelphia PA area. There was also a Hudson family cemetery in back of their grandparents' place called the Homestead near Dagsboro, back near the railroad tracks. When I was young, I saw a wooden cross there, among maybe ten to fifteen other graves. I understand it is not there now. We are happy to meet all these new "cousins"
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
>
> The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown). The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to interpret some of it.   I use the deeds and wills submitted  and try to balance these along with the census.  At present I am trying to form a picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes.  My impression so far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses.  All the others mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped, some not.   Ken

---

From: marjorie <marjea@wildblue.net>
To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT

 

Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting you have this point:
"2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and extended south to the Maryland line."
Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "kenbunting@..." <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
>
> The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown). The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
>

--
Marjorie
"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@...> wrote:
>
> I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> site.)
> Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
>
> Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> <kenbunting@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > some not. Ken
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* marjorie <marjea@...>
> > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > you have this point:
> > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown).
> > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond
> > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl
> > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Marjorie
> "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, bluelightning75@... wrote:
>
> Has anyone been there recently to see if any markers are there? If not, let
> me know the location and I will be glad to take a look (If I can get
> permission) when the weather gets a little warmer.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/13/2011 8:25:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> elizwolpert@... writes:
>
> There was also a Hudson family cemetery in back of their grandparents'
> place called the Homestead near Dagsboro, back near the railroad tracks. When
> I was young, I saw a wooden cross there, among maybe ten to fifteen other
> graves. I understand it is not there now.
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around 1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons, descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time? Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > site.)
> > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> >
> > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > some not. Ken
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > you have this point:
> > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown).
> > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond
> > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl
> > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marjorie
> > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> >
>

I wish I could be of more help on the roads & land issues. But as to Beth's question about the Hudsons, I maybe could give a bit of a timeline. This may or may not turn out to be important in placement in regards to Dennis Security at least.

Hezekiah was in possession of Dennis Security (150 acres) by 1762. His sons Benjamin, David & John Aydlot have an initial listing as taxed for 50 acres each in 1803. It is curious that in 1801 they are listed without acreage since they should have inherited at Hezekiah's death by 1787. The first David Hudson to own part of Dennis Security sold his 50 acres to brother Benjamin in 1813. There is some evidence that he could have relocated in Dagsboro Hundred for a while. John A sold his part of Dennis Security in 1817 to a John Cammell (Campbell). Benjamin held 100 acres of Dennis Security until his death in 1840. This is when sons Levin & David (the 2^nd one) inherited 50 acres each. Levin sold his part of Dennis Security in 1848 and David in 1858.

So it appears that from the 1780s until 1858 there was a Hudson presence on Dennis Security. John A may have been removed by 1817. Benjamin disappears in 1840. And then the 1st David was present from 1780s to 1813; with the second David growing up on Benjamin’s part and staying on until 1858.

Let me know if this helps.

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:
>
> I think my cousins Judy, Joe, and Sue visited there briefly last fall and could not find anything. I was taken there once as a child. I know the burial ground was set back, near the railroad tracks, and by telling us ghost stories, my relatives tried to scare us from going there alone because of the danger, but actually the trains passed by at regular, infrequent, but predictable times. Because my grandfather's brother was an engineer, once we stood there, back from the tracks with PopPop Hudson, and his brother slowed the train to pick up some produce from the farm and we talked very briefly so he could meet me, when I was just a little girl visiting from Philadelphia. I would say the cemetery was small, maybe 20 x 20, unfenced, mud and grass, the wooden cross and some markers. I remember being surprised at the cross made of wood, because I had seen a Phila cemetery where my little cousin was buried (a crib death) full of huge granite monuments and stones with angels on top for children who died. My mother was angry with me for questioning that wooden cross in front of the Delaware relatives, but the only cemetery I knew at the time was much larger and very ostentatious, I suppose. Judy Adams said that there is a large tree beside the road where the Homestead once stood. She and Joe and Sue Hudson belong to the Selbyville group and could tell you the location.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, bluelightning75@ wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone been there recently to see if any markers are there? If not, let
> > me know the location and I will be glad to take a look (If I can get
> > permission) when the weather gets a little warmer.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/13/2011 8:25:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > elizwolpert@ writes:
> >
> > There was also a Hudson family cemetery in back of their grandparents'
> > place called the Homestead near Dagsboro, back near the railroad tracks. When
> > I was young, I saw a wooden cross there, among maybe ten to fifteen other
> > graves. I understand it is not there now.
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> I have in my notes that I got from a history of railroads at the county library
> (and you know I can never remember to put sources) that the first railroad
> through Sussex Co was the NYP&N which ran from Dover through Seaford and on to
> Salisbury.  Gradually a branch extended southward from Dover to Dagsboro and
> then Frankford while another branch was laid from Salisbury to Berlin.  Finally
> in 1876 a line called the DM&V connected Frankford to Berlin through
> Selbyville.  Some of my oldest family members recalled how their parents told of
> celebrations at Selbyville. 
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marjorie <marjea@...>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 3:43:19 PM
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands
> mentioned in John Tull LWT
>
>  
> No, we were speaking of the hamlet before it became "Selbyville" as used by the
> U.S. Postal Service in 1848. The RR came in 1872 according to the timeline in
> files on this site.
> The descendants of Hezekiah Hudson still live "in the area" now.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert"
> <elizwolpert@> wrote:
> >
> > Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around
> >1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons,
> >descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time?
> >Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon
> >property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as
> >TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
> >
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > > site.)
> > > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > > some not. Ken
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > > you have this point:
> > > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > > --- In
> >SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called
> >Milltown).
> > > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the
> >millpond
> > > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to
> Carl
> > > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marjorie
> > > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> > >
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Jason Hudson <hudsonjlee@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ken,
>
> I wish I could be of more help on the roads & land issues. But as to Beth's question about the Hudsons, I maybe could give a bit of a timeline. This may or may not turn out to be important in placement in regards to Dennis Security at least.
>
> Hezekiah was in possession of Dennis Security (150 acres) by 1762. His sons Benjamin, David & John Aydlot have an initial listing as taxed for 50 acres each in 1803. It is curious that in 1801 they are listed without acreage since they should have inherited at Hezekiah's death by 1787. The first David Hudson to own part of Dennis Security sold his 50 acres to brother Benjamin in 1813. There is some evidence that he could have relocated in Dagsboro Hundred for a while. John A sold his part of Dennis Security in 1817 to a John Cammell (Campbell). Benjamin held 100 acres of Dennis Security until his death in 1840. This is when sons Levin & David (the 2nd one) inherited 50 acres each. Levin sold his part of Dennis Security in 1848 and David in 1858.
>
> So it appears that from the 1780s until 1858 there was a Hudson presence on Dennis Security. John A may have been removed by 1817. Benjamin disappears in 1840. And then the 1st David was present from 1780s to 1813; with the second David growing up on Benjamin�s part and staying on until 1858.
>
> Let me know if this helps.
>
>
> Jason
>
> "You must be the change you want to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> From: elizwolpert@...
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:47:10 +0000
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around 1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons, descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time? Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > site.)
> > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> >
> > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > some not. Ken
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > you have this point:
> > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown).
> > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond
> > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl
> > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marjorie
> > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> >
>

 

On our site in Files, books, "Delaware" (WPA project) p 391 it states that the Frankford and Breakwater RR reached Selbyville in 1873. This one connected to the Worcester Railroad which ran through Berlin to Snow Hill and Pocomoke City.(History of Sussex County by Dick Carter, 1776, p32.
Ken, if you do can not cite the source, please refrain from posting a message until you can source it. I repeat what I have said before, we MUST cite sources for the facts we post on this site. In the future I may have to remove messages that give facts with no sources.
--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@...> wrote:
>
> I have in my notes that I got from a history of railroads at the county library
> (and you know I can never remember to put sources) that the first railroad
> through Sussex Co was the NYP&N which ran from Dover through Seaford and on to
> Salisbury.  Gradually a branch extended southward from Dover to Dagsboro and
> then Frankford while another branch was laid from Salisbury to Berlin.  Finally
> in 1876 a line called the DM&V connected Frankford to Berlin through
> Selbyville.  Some of my oldest family members recalled how their parents told of
> celebrations at Selbyville. 
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marjorie <marjea@...>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 3:43:19 PM
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands
> mentioned in John Tull LWT
>
>  
> No, we were speaking of the hamlet before it became "Selbyville" as used by the
> U.S. Postal Service in 1848. The RR came in 1872 according to the timeline in
> files on this site.
> The descendants of Hezekiah Hudson still live "in the area" now.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert"
> <elizwolpert@> wrote:
> >
> > Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around
> >1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons,
> >descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time?
> >Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon
> >property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as
> >TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
> >
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > > site.)
> > > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > > some not. Ken
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > > you have this point:
> > > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > > --- In
> >SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called
> >Milltown).
> > > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the
> >millpond
> > > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to
> Carl
> > > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marjorie
> > > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> > >
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hudson <inforailway@...> wrote:
>
> Marjorie, one clarification on the Worcester Railroad. It did go to Berlin and Snow Hill (and from there south to Franklin City, Virginia on Chincoteague Sound). It, however, did not connect to the town of Pocomoke. Pocomoke was connected on the main north-south line which ran from Wilmington through Dover and Salisbury on to Cape Charles, Virginia. Your source may be indicating a connection to the Pocomoke River in Snow Hill and not the town of Pocomoke itself. Up until the 1930s there was scheduled steamboat service on the Pocomoke River with Snow Hill being the most inland stop.
>
> The source for this is "Rails Along The Chesapeake" by John Hayman, Marydel Press, 1979. The book contains many photos of timetables and maps including an entire chapter on this line, hence my not including a single page reference. The book is out of print now, but the library in Salisbury contains a copy. It is the definitive resource for anyone researching local railroads. Sorry if this a bit off topic.
>
> By the way, I'm Jim Hudson, a newbie to the group. My connection to the Selbyville area is via the Hudsons, Robinsons, Derricksons, and Careys among others, I look forward to taking part in discussions.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 9:22 PM, "marjorie" <marjea@...> wrote:
>
> > On our site in Files, books, "Delaware" (WPA project) p 391 it states that the Frankford and Breakwater RR reached Selbyville in 1873. This one connected to the Worcester Railroad which ran through Berlin to Snow Hill and Pocomoke City.(History of Sussex County by Dick Carter, 1776, p32.
> > Ken, if you do can not cite the source, please refrain from posting a message until you can source it. I repeat what I have said before, we MUST cite sources for the facts we post on this site. In the future I may have to remove messages that give facts with no sources.
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, KENNETH BUNTING <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have in my notes that I got from a history of railroads at the county library
> > > (and you know I can never remember to put sources) that the first railroad
> > > through Sussex Co was the NYP&N which ran from Dover through Seaford and on to
> > > Salisbury. Gradually a branch extended southward from Dover to Dagsboro and
> > > then Frankford while another branch was laid from Salisbury to Berlin. Finally
> > > in 1876 a line called the DM&V connected Frankford to Berlin through
> > > Selbyville.  Some of my oldest family members recalled how their parents told of
> > > celebrations at Selbyville.Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: marjorie <marjea@>
> > > To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 3:43:19 PM
> > > Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands
> > > mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > >
> > > Â
> > > No, we were speaking of the hamlet before it became "Selbyville" as used by the
> > > U.S. Postal Service in 1848. The RR came in 1872 according to the timeline in
> > > files on this site.
> > > The descendants of Hezekiah Hudson still live "in the area" now.
> > >
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert"
> > > <elizwolpert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around
> > > >1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons,
> > > >descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time?
> > > >Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon
> > > >property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as
> > > >TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
> > > >
> > > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > > > > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > > > > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > > > > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > > > > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > > > > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > > > > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > > > > site.)
> > > > > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > > > > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > > > > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > > > > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > > > > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > > > > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > > > > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > > > > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > > > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > > > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > > > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > > > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > > > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > > > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > > > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > > > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > > > > some not. Ken
> > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > > > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > > > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > > > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > > > > you have this point:
> > > > > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > > > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > > > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > > > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > > > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > > > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > > > > --- In
> > > >SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > >
> > > > > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > > > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called
> > > >Milltown).
> > > > > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > > > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > > > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > > > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > > > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the
> > > >millpond
> > > > > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > > > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > > > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to
> > > Carl
> > > > > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marjorie
> > > > > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > > > > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Jason Hudson <hudsonjlee@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ken,
>
> I wish I could be of more help on the roads & land issues. But as to Beth's question about the Hudsons, I maybe could give a bit of a timeline. This may or may not turn out to be important in placement in regards to Dennis Security at least.
>
> Hezekiah was in possession of Dennis Security (150 acres) by 1762. His sons Benjamin, David & John Aydlot have an initial listing as taxed for 50 acres each in 1803. It is curious that in 1801 they are listed without acreage since they should have inherited at Hezekiah's death by 1787. The first David Hudson to own part of Dennis Security sold his 50 acres to brother Benjamin in 1813. There is some evidence that he could have relocated in Dagsboro Hundred for a while. John A sold his part of Dennis Security in 1817 to a John Cammell (Campbell). Benjamin held 100 acres of Dennis Security until his death in 1840. This is when sons Levin & David (the 2nd one) inherited 50 acres each. Levin sold his part of Dennis Security in 1848 and David in 1858.
>
> So it appears that from the 1780s until 1858 there was a Hudson presence on Dennis Security. John A may have been removed by 1817. Benjamin disappears in 1840. And then the 1st David was present from 1780s to 1813; with the second David growing up on Benjamin's part and staying on until 1858.
>
> Let me know if this helps.
>
>
> Jason
>
> "You must be the change you want to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> From: elizwolpert@...
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:47:10 +0000
> Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around 1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons, descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time? Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > site.)
> > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> >
> > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > some not. Ken
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > you have this point:
> > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown).
> > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond
> > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl
> > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marjorie
> > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Beth ann Wolpert" <elizwolpert@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jason, your message helps me a lot. Seth Hudson (born Pollys Branch 1793, my ancestor) bought or received the land from John Campbell in 1817, and probably lived there because he was in Baltimore Hundred 1820 census. In 1830 Seth's family was in Dagsboro Hundred, but apparently there is no record that he sold the property, according to Marjorie. The only other Hudson I know of in that area was John Hudson who married Charlotte Bunting (Ken's relative) about 1836, but we haven't connected this John yet.
>
> --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Jason Hudson <hudsonjlee@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > I wish I could be of more help on the roads & land issues. But as to Beth's question about the Hudsons, I maybe could give a bit of a timeline. This may or may not turn out to be important in placement in regards to Dennis Security at least.
> >
> > Hezekiah was in possession of Dennis Security (150 acres) by 1762. His sons Benjamin, David & John Aydlot have an initial listing as taxed for 50 acres each in 1803. It is curious that in 1801 they are listed without acreage since they should have inherited at Hezekiah's death by 1787. The first David Hudson to own part of Dennis Security sold his 50 acres to brother Benjamin in 1813. There is some evidence that he could have relocated in Dagsboro Hundred for a while. John A sold his part of Dennis Security in 1817 to a John Cammell (Campbell). Benjamin held 100 acres of Dennis Security until his death in 1840. This is when sons Levin & David (the 2nd one) inherited 50 acres each. Levin sold his part of Dennis Security in 1848 and David in 1858.
> >
> > So it appears that from the 1780s until 1858 there was a Hudson presence on Dennis Security. John A may have been removed by 1817. Benjamin disappears in 1840. And then the 1st David was present from 1780s to 1813; with the second David growing up on Benjamin's part and staying on until 1858.
> >
> > Let me know if this helps.
> >
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > "You must be the change you want to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > From: elizwolpert@
> > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:47:10 +0000
> > Subject: [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Marjorie, I assume you and Ken are speaking of Sandy Branch in the years around 1848 when Selbyville was founded. Two questions: 1) Were all the Hudsons, descendants of Hezekiah, Benjamin, and John, gone from the area by that time? Did their properties all belong to others by then? 2) Does the John Lyon property map I sent you, including FRIENDS ASSISTANCE and CHANCE as well as TUBBS RECOVERY, help in any way?
> >
> > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, marjorie adams <marjea@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree. It started as a stream, then 1 house, then another, then another.
> > > All the houses would have had farmland adjacent. By 1848 when it became
> > > officially "Selbyville" it was probably the same but with just more houses
> > > and more stores/tradesmen (and a post office) but nothing much until one of
> > > Arthur McCabe 's sons encouraged the RR to lay track through his land on the
> > > way from Bishopville to Frankford.....(source for this last fact is one of
> > > DJ Long's newspaper articles--I'll check to see if I have added it to the
> > > site.)
> > > Who do you think owned the blacksmith shop? Scharf says Matthew McCabe but
> > > that may be one of the wrong pieces of information he printed.
> > > Then we have an undocumented statement that "Selbyville was originally 250
> > > acres". We need to verify that. Was it the total of the land belonging to
> > > McCabes, Murrays, Longs and Buntings?--that is too much I think. (DJ Long
> > > mentions also a Campbell and a Stevens--need poof of their land.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway you could put a preliminary drawing of your vision on the
> > > site so the rest of you could think on it with you?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, KENNETH BUNTING
> > > <kenbunting@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marjorie, I continue working on a map of the Sandy Branch area but it is
> > > > hard to correlate all the information SHAG has collected and it is hard to
> > > > interpret some of it. I use the deeds and wills submitted and try to
> > > > balance these along with the census. At present I am trying to form a
> > > > picture in my mind of the layout of the roads and lanes. My impression so
> > > > far is that Sandy Branch was hardly more than a hamlet lying along the
> > > > stream with the church, blacksmith shop, gristmill and sawmill, the Selby
> > > > and McCabe stores, and fewer than a half dozen houses. All the others
> > > > mentioned were on farms scattered over the nearby area, some them grouped,
> > > > some not. Ken
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* marjorie <marjea@>
> > > > *To:* SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 6:34:23 PM
> > > > *Subject:* [SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy] Re: Descendants of Sampson
> > > > Selby--lands mentioned in John Tull LWT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken, At the end of your partial transcription of the will of John Bunting
> > > > you have this point:
> > > > "2. The property Friends Assistance lay to the south of Sandy Branch and
> > > > extended south to the Maryland line."
> > > > Is this the same Friends Assistance you mention here from the will of John
> > > > Tull who gave to Ann, widow of Sampson Selby, part of Saw Mill Range?
> > > > Are you going to give us a drawing placing the properties? Also you have
> > > > mentioned placing some of the properties on the n side of the MD/DE line.
> > > > --- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com<SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "kenbunting@" <kenbunting@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The information regarding properties in the documents referenced in the
> > > > Selby folder are very helpful in mapping Bishopville (then called Milltown).
> > > > The tract called Miserable Quarter was on the north side of the present
> > > > Bishopville Road next to the millpond. Friends Assistance and other Tull
> > > > property apparently lay between Bishopville Rd and Tull's Branch which is
> > > > about half way between the millpond and Jarvis Rd., except for one tract
> > > > (possibly Sawmill Range) on the north side of Bishopville Rd at the millpond
> > > > where John Tull had a mill. The Coe properties, except for the one called
> > > > Miserable Quarter, lay on the opposite side of the river from Friends
> > > > Assistance between Bishopville Rd and Lumpkins Creek. I am indebted to Carl
> > > > Robert Coe for his research on the Coe family.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marjorie
> > > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to
> > > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke
> > >
> >
>

--- In SelbyvilleHistoryAndGenealogy@yahoogroups.com, wolong@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Marjorie,
> I'm not sure what to think about your comment below!
> I hope it doesn't inhibit readers from discussing folklore and family
> legends, etc.
> If no one posts anything that is not supported by a primary source
> reference, there wont be much posting at all.
> Bill
>
> In a message dated 1/15/2011 9:22:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> _marjea@..._ (mailto:marjea@...) writes:
>
> On our site in Files, books, "Delaware" (WPA project) p 391 it states that
> the Frankford and Breakwater RR reached Selbyville in 1873. This one
> connected to the Worcester Railroad which ran through Berlin to Snow Hill and
> Pocomoke City.(History of Sussex County by Dick Carter, 1776, p32.
> Ken, if you do can not cite the source, please refrain from posting a
> message until you can source it. I repeat what I have said before, we MUST cite
> sources for the facts we post on this site. In the future I may have to
> remove messages that give facts with no sources.
> ____________________________________
>